Timoran Synkral ([info]timoran) wrote in [info]furaffinity,
2005-07-21 10:39:00
Why are confirmed hackers posting comments about what they've done on the site?

Why haven't these people been IP banned?

Why not just send hackers an invitation to come back and ruin something else?

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[info]itrasbiel

July 21 2005, 15:50:29 UTC 6 years ago

Because Weasel is considerably better at coding than, oh, all of the other admins? Possibly put together? Thus, on the IRC when a new gaping flaw in the code is found it is posted to there quickly and thus allows it to be fixed quicker.

Seriously, these are the kind of people you /want/ to be on the beta server. But Jheryn seems to only want ineffective yes-men in positions of power, so they are stuck using the main FA site.

Although I'm not going to deny that annoying Jheryn (and the rest of the mods) is not part of it. I might even have some sympathy towards him if he hadn't, y'know, lied to the users and set me up as some sort of 'evol haxxor' in order to draw the attention away from his bad code. Oh yeah, and also first blaming each coding bug on hackers first. Seriously. In the news post archive, there is a series that goes like this: "Hackers broke in and deleted some people's messages, we're working on it," "We fixed teh security hole so no more deleted message should appear," and then a bit later "The message-deleting bug is showing up again, I've added a button that regenerates all your messages."

[info]timoran

July 21 2005, 19:58:53 UTC 6 years ago

Wrong answer.

If you hack the site, you should be banned.

End of story.

Banning (and keeping up with lists of open relays to make it stick) remains the most effective way to stop hacking.

[info]itrasbiel

July 21 2005, 20:16:02 UTC 6 years ago

So how else would you advise to get the site's bugs patched? Jheryn has shown a surprising amount of bullheadedness when people say "Hey this isn't done right" or "Your code has bugs." The only thing that /has/ gotten Jheryn to respond (and then only to whine) is crashing the site via clever exploiting of the site's many bugs.

And yes, I suppose just banning anyone who is discovered to be hacking would stop that person from hacking the site from the same IP in the future. There are, however, many problems with this.

Firstly, and most important, is that just banning hackers and not fixing the bugs (which, yes, is what has been happening in the past) is a very very bad idea, because then people keep poking at the site and finding more bugs and more interesting ways to exploit previous bugs. The second is that Jheryn really sucks at banning. I got IP banned once, and it was just for my singular IP. A quick reset of the modem and bam, no more ban. And any competent hacker (or any less competent person who knows Weasel) can get into the FA database and unset the ban. Because as previously stated, FA has lots of unfixed bugs and Jheryn seems unwilling or unable to fix them.

[info]timoran

July 21 2005, 23:13:43 UTC 6 years ago

Riiiiiight, this is all about fixing bugs.

That's why you people have caused FA to be taken offline and vandalized user's pages.

[info]itrasbiel

6 years ago

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[info]timoran

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[info]meckell

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[info]arshes

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[info]_nobuyuki

July 21 2005, 20:18:20 UTC 6 years ago

"Banning (and keeping up with lists of open relays to make it stick) remains the most effective way to stop hacking."


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[info]verix

July 21 2005, 21:08:06 UTC 6 years ago

iawtc

[info]lunar_dragoness

July 21 2005, 15:54:43 UTC 6 years ago

I think someone's suggested this before. Supposedly it's too easy to get around an IP ban, so there's no point in even setting one. Or something similarly convoluted. It doesn't make sense to me, anyway...

[info]timoran

July 21 2005, 17:14:19 UTC 6 years ago

If you can "get around" an IP ban, it's either not a good enough IP ban or you're using an open proxy (which merits another ban).

But there's no reason to just let hackers come on in and have a merry time! Even if it's not effective... do something about it.

[info]badenbaden

July 21 2005, 19:53:52 UTC 6 years ago

hurr omg evil hackres

They are doing something - actually fixing bad code, promptly, for once :o)

[info]that_grave_guy

July 21 2005, 20:47:50 UTC 6 years ago

Re: hurr omg evil hackres

Lol, your icon is funny, i love it. *squish*

[info]badenbaden

July 21 2005, 21:03:18 UTC 6 years ago

Re: hurr omg evil hackres

fat manatee face is love

[info]lunar_dragoness

July 22 2005, 02:29:38 UTC 6 years ago

Open proxies are what I was referring to. Someone with the knowledge to hack into FA could probably find one that would allow them to work around even an IP ban.

It's kinda like the logic LJ uses for not allowing people to ban users from their LJ; one could just log out and work around the ban. So if a proxy is easy to find, an IP ban is just as useless. Though it does look kinda bad that FA isn't even trying...

[info]timoran

July 22 2005, 03:09:11 UTC 6 years ago

Err... banning users on LJ is quite easy, and effective provided you disable anonymous commenting.

[info]lunar_dragoness

6 years ago

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[info]_nobuyuki

July 21 2005, 19:50:27 UTC 6 years ago

xax already explained the obvious, so I'll contribute this appropriate simpsons quote:

shut up, that's why.

[info]meckell

July 21 2005, 20:00:28 UTC 6 years ago

Aahahaha!

And don't do drugs!

[info]verix

July 21 2005, 21:07:37 UTC 6 years ago

[info]meckell

July 22 2005, 00:01:02 UTC 6 years ago

Consume! Conform! OOOOBEEEEYY!!!

[info]azure_foxx

July 25 2005, 19:19:03 UTC 6 years ago

O.o

can't help but notice how evil Oz looks there.
Was that intentional? LOL

[info]verix

July 26 2005, 02:27:12 UTC 6 years ago

Re: O.o

Well, yeah. It's intended to be a propaganda poster.

[info]ozkangaroo

July 26 2005, 13:50:03 UTC 6 years ago

*LAUGHS!!!*

Someone pointed this out to me.
That is amazing!. Thank you so much!.
You totally rock big time!.

It's true can't we all just sit back and chill :)

[info]arshes

July 22 2005, 02:48:38 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah he IS IP banned

You get a nice rub from the Superman Crotch, since even little girls love to touch it!

But he can still post thru other methods btw.

[19:41] weasel also i am ip banned from fa
[19:41] ArshesNei haha let him know that ;)
[19:41] weasel have been since arcturus cleaned up the database thing
[19:42] weasel i use an assh tunnel
[19:42] weasel *ssh

[info]timoran

July 22 2005, 07:53:09 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Yeah he IS IP banned

o_O

That REALLY shouldn't be able to work. The security situation at FA must be 100 times worse than even what I was thinking of...

[info]kayfox

July 23 2005, 02:19:31 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Yeah he IS IP banned

why shouldint it work?

[info]timoran

July 23 2005, 03:28:17 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Yeah he IS IP banned

Why shouldn't I be able to unlock your car door with a rubber ducky?

[info]kayfox

6 years ago

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[info]timoran

6 years ago

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Anonymous

July 22 2005, 08:53:21 UTC 6 years ago

You just don't get it.
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